tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post2472478796422525532..comments2024-03-16T08:38:39.031-04:00Comments on My OUTLANDER Purgatory: MOP Breaks Down Outlander Starz Ep 212: The Hail MaryPurgatory Carolhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04206226666250028550noreply@blogger.comBlogger78125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-76008648174638976302016-07-19T00:24:52.474-04:002016-07-19T00:24:52.474-04:00Sadly, I'm feeling the same way. Probably we ...Sadly, I'm feeling the same way. Probably we all went into this series with our expectations set too high, DG is one tough act to follow. Can a man with a track record of action/sci-fi, testosterone driven series,like RM has,reeeealy do this love story justice? <br />Here's my take on the Alez beating scene...maybe its best we never know what damaged BJR, its sufficient to know something tragic happened to him, something that perhaps involved Alex. Whatever it was, it created the twisted, soulless creature we know. Alex is his one link to humanity, caring or feelings. I think the extreme reaction and eventually needing to be helped away is be ause he now knows there is no barrier between him and madness. Melodramatic? Perhaps...<br />Do I believe that Jamie would have helped this man who had attempted rape of his sister and wife; had in fact, raped his foster son and himself? Of course not!<br />Well,THAT was long winded....nough said about BJR. Hopefully RM has gotten him out of his system and we can give this book series one more try next season. I'm afraid my patience is wearing thin, and may need to erase my memries of this lackluster 2 seasons and re-read the books for the 4th time. Ba k to the characters I hold dear, and DG's vision for them.<br />SadAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027588374236176179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-71166862063460200542016-07-18T15:21:35.949-04:002016-07-18T15:21:35.949-04:00The above are tough comments, but I find myself ag...The above are tough comments, but I find myself agreeing with about 85% of the contents. Good for you for having the courage to say it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-68157889463448223192016-07-18T15:15:30.887-04:002016-07-18T15:15:30.887-04:00Guys -- Some of these comments bear the telltale e...Guys -- Some of these comments bear the telltale earmarks of certain TROLLS who stalk the interwebs. They're up to no good. DO NOT engage them and they will lose interest and go away. You know who you are. Some of us came to MOP to get away from you. Please take pity and leave us alone!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-82859072539506015712016-07-18T15:01:33.689-04:002016-07-18T15:01:33.689-04:00Remember that Tobias once had the bright idea of u...Remember that Tobias once had the bright idea of using that dead body of BJR's giant flunky (the guy Jamie killed who was laying in the cell throughout the episodes where BJR raped Jamie) as a MATTRESS upon which BJR would rape Jamie(!!!). Ron D. Moore thought that was BRILLIANT and was all for it!! Apparently he and Tobias were talked down by Maril and Matt (don't remember the position of Anna Foerster on that idea). So Tobias is either TRULY BENT or wants everyone to think he is. And why not? Got him a part in Foerster's latest zombie-vampire-apocalypse flick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-15867989529273945872016-07-18T14:49:22.079-04:002016-07-18T14:49:22.079-04:00I want to have your babies, Diane (and that's ...I want to have your babies, Diane (and that's impossible, what with me being female). But we are SO in sync on the Jamie/Sam thing, I just had to say AMEN! Also commenting after the fact ....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-10560694023215994042016-07-10T20:08:23.783-04:002016-07-10T20:08:23.783-04:00Hey Last12C - actually, I don't see how you ba...Hey Last12C - actually, I don't see how you backed up your points in the first post at all. I see you saying that things complained about were straight out of the books, but no particulars. I see that you get huffy about perceived disrespect of RDM and the other writers. One thing you should know, you can look it up on the CompuServe Writers forum ~ DG said that the books are Jamie's story from Claire's POV. The show has clearly decided to make it Claire's story and emasculate Jamie. Even non-book reading show watchers notice. It's natural that people interested and curious enough to engage in places like this would look to assign motives for Jamie's emasculation, particularly when there is so much of it show after show. The show is better than most out there, but it could be even better if *someone* made some smarter decisions about how to use great actors and great source material. They seem to be overly concerned with making sure what they perceive to be a dense viewing audience "gets it" and using Tobias Menses as much as they possibly can and assigning anything clever or important to Claire. One more thing - yes, my opinion is more important than yours, Last12C. Pound away at those keys in indignation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-83863893620478216242016-07-06T12:56:52.115-04:002016-07-06T12:56:52.115-04:00OOOOH great catch!!! I have to go back and watch t...OOOOH great catch!!! I have to go back and watch that!!Purgatory Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04206226666250028550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-54809582617903349072016-07-06T12:55:47.476-04:002016-07-06T12:55:47.476-04:00OMG Susan - bees in DG voice - that is a riot. I ...OMG Susan - bees in DG voice - that is a riot. I will do it JUST FOR YOU, sister!! 😘Purgatory Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04206226666250028550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-82885164429885677462016-07-06T11:12:28.924-04:002016-07-06T11:12:28.924-04:00I want to make a comment or two before the Finale....I want to make a comment or two before the Finale. I thought Episode 212 was interesting to watch. I really enjoyed the death scene with Dougal...he was wonderful, and was totally repulsed by BJR's beating on his brother. It seemed ridiculous to me, OVERkill for sure. Shocking.<br />Some people say the love scene whiners are complaining too much, but I do hope for some farewell sex in the Finale: I could swear I heard Jamie say "I need ye, Claire" in one of the preview videos, once, but can't find it. Just a little quickie, please.<br />Otherwise, I am sure they will throw everything at us in the Finale. It will be exciting and oh so sad. I hope we hear some our favorite speeches from Jamie. Sam is doing a wonderfuljob as Jamie, and when I binge-watched the season, when I could, I could see the development of his healing and bravery. I don't see Jamie in a corner at all. I do NOT see enough Jamie and Claire, but I've mentioned that already.<br />I am SO looking forward to your Finale video. Carol, are you going to discuss The Bees in your Diana voice?<br />Susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-24588105140088400722016-07-05T16:27:24.758-04:002016-07-05T16:27:24.758-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Dianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13732730875094843719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-27512397211384916092016-07-05T15:53:58.595-04:002016-07-05T15:53:58.595-04:00I'm reading these comments so far after the fa...I'm reading these comments so far after the fact and I have to stop replying because I agree with so many! I just have to add one more agreement because I feel terrible that Sam Heughan, as well as Jamie, does not receive the attention he deserves: scripts, accolades, awards all come together. I think Tobias Menzes is a fantastic actor, but compare the material he gets, particularly this season, with that given to Sam and its night and day.Dianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13732730875094843719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-17636158306308801152016-07-05T15:47:55.777-04:002016-07-05T15:47:55.777-04:00Great quote from DG's DH. The problem is that ...Great quote from DG's DH. The problem is that got much closer to communicating that in the show in season 1 - on TV. I don't think it would be impossible at all to show that the two are part of each other (sorry DH, maybe not as well as DW), Claire describes it well enough to in episode 1 - when Jamie isn't there. You can actually see Jamie's love for Claire this season, IMO, and very little of her passion for him.Dianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13732730875094843719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-69619722387388865702016-07-05T15:39:03.600-04:002016-07-05T15:39:03.600-04:00Anon, best line in a comment this season, "th...Anon, best line in a comment this season, "the still incredible shrinking TV Jamie". BTW, I think Sam Heughan should get the emmy simply for being forced to communicate without dialogue. His facial expressions have always said so much, but they could have given the guy a break and thrown him a few more lines (or left him the ones written for him, if you read the scripts on Starz). Just saying!Dianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13732730875094843719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-87836041913442176662016-07-04T00:31:08.579-04:002016-07-04T00:31:08.579-04:00Great post, Gail! I totally agree! I thoroughly e...Great post, Gail! I totally agree! I thoroughly enjoyed the Marathon this weekend and appreciated every episode all the more. That sense of continuity really pulled everything together with wonderful results. Jamie and Claire's love is EPIC! Halfway through Season One I started watching the show on StarzPlay with CC almost exclusively because I realized how much detail I was missing watching on the TV - even with a large high def screen!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-60239237401510382752016-07-04T00:12:55.115-04:002016-07-04T00:12:55.115-04:00OMG...I want to hate Poldark and Aiden Turner.... ...OMG...I want to hate Poldark and Aiden Turner.... but it's sooo good! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-46916515390893072462016-07-03T10:11:22.721-04:002016-07-03T10:11:22.721-04:00I'm glad you are enjoying the show for what it...I'm glad you are enjoying the show for what it is. I am a long time book reader and think they have done a fabulous job! <br /><br />Just started the marathon rewatch this weekend, and it is interesting to see the subtle moments between Jamie and Claire that I missed the first time through when I was watching for plot and comparing the show to the books (I try to put the book down, but it is impossible). <br /><br />I don't think they are making Jamie less, if anything, they have given him too much. Jamie has his own POV way earlier than the books, so he doesn't have to be stuck to Claire to have a story. I think maybe that is what many book readers are upset about, in the book we only see Jamie when he is with Claire, but in the show he can do stuff on his own. This results in less time with the two of them together, which everyone seems to miss.<br /><br />I recommend a whole series rewatch to everyone, to pay particular attention to all the small, quiet moments with Jamie and Claire together.<br />Gailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09756574480039661649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-15632479826152927692016-07-02T14:13:08.802-04:002016-07-02T14:13:08.802-04:00I meant to ask in my previous comment, did I see w...I meant to ask in my previous comment, did I see wee Fergus pretend to be sleeping with this head on the table, eyes open, listening to Jamie and Claire as they talked about being unable to change history? Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12871091775080927875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-50924284882861306792016-07-01T17:44:56.265-04:002016-07-01T17:44:56.265-04:00Carol and Traceeeeeey,
I’ve tried hard to work ... <br />Carol and Traceeeeeey, <br /> <br />I’ve tried hard to work up a positive attitude before I posted my comments, but it’s just not coming. This episode left me depressed. It’s not a bad episode in and of itself – there are some excellent scenes and performances – but it sits so heavy on our timeline. The battle is supposed to be “tomorrow,” so no last night together for Claire and Jamie because there’s no time (grrrr!). There’s barely time to accomplish the other things we know should happen along with the rush to the stones. A lot of 1968 stuff will need to be thrown in, and we’ll need time to meet new characters. Oh, I expect they will throw us a meaty scene of separation in the finale, to get us to cry and to try to make us forget how much was lost and wasted in this very unbalanced season. Do I sound bitter? <br /><br />As a book reader, I can see that hindsight and foresight are both a bitch. There are so many precious jewels of dialog, scenes, characters, and relationship moments in the books, but this season has rested too heavily on the strings of a plot line that should have been strong enough to hold more of those jewels and balance out this story. Since we already know (from the very beginning of the season) that the plan to stop Culloden fails, so much time and focus should not have been spent on the mechanics of trying to stop that lost cause. We needed more character moments, more relationship moments, more scenes of highlander family life and all that stands to be lost. We should have also been seeing the story of how, despite trials, heartbreak, failures, war, separation, and time, two extraordinary people can build a love that strengthens and endures. That’s the story that keeps me reading the books. I may pick up interesting facts along the way, but I am there for Claire and Jamie. History lessons are only a bonus.<br /><br />In the finale, I think we’ll see Dougal’s death - hopefully without blackening Claire’s character any more. She was reluctant in the book, and she was relieved when Jamie didn’t agree with her suggestion. I'm very worried about Murtaugh, but I hope we see Jamie dispatch him to send the Lallybroch men home. I hope we see a beautiful parting scene between Fergus and his “parents.” Mostly, I want Claire and Jamie to have, in both dialog and action, the shamelessly beautiful and heart-wrenching parting they deserve. I want this season to at least end doing right by the source material, its writer, and its fans. <br /><br />I read that there are four new writers for Outlander, and that three are women. Ira Behr has left, so counting RDM, there are now three men and five women writers. All the new writers are were unfamiliar with the books, but they are reading them. I wish they would read some fan comments as well. <br /><br />Dolittle<br />dolittlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14918644216099319518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-43685009129780909872016-07-01T14:39:13.727-04:002016-07-01T14:39:13.727-04:00WHAT?! OMG!!!!!!!!!
I haven't seen the past 8 ...WHAT?! OMG!!!!!!!!!<br />I haven't seen the past 8 episodes of TURN:WS and now I just read [totally goose bumping as I write] that JJ Fields dies?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All I have to say is THANK GOD!<br />I have been telling everyone that he should play LJG for the longest time! My second choice is Tom Mison [hope Sleepy Hollow gets canceled] so he can do it ONLY if JJ isn't available. <br />Carol, I think we need to draft him! RR's fans kept at it until he got the role of Roger :)<br /><br />Mel Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-1524918357852408122016-07-01T11:44:59.847-04:002016-07-01T11:44:59.847-04:00JANE - do we have a date for Poldark's return?...JANE - do we have a date for Poldark's return??? All I read was "this fall." LOVE LOVE LOVE me some Poldark!! That's another one Tracey and I should be making videos for, along with TURN, Washington's Spies! :) Purgatory Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04206226666250028550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-61024415137744634292016-07-01T11:42:21.117-04:002016-07-01T11:42:21.117-04:00dolittle - I am getting the shakes upon reading yo...dolittle - I am getting the shakes upon reading your comment because I hadn't considered that and you make a great point. Only time will tell. I have been very cool with some of my favorite book scenes/dialogue being left out over the last two seasons...but if the "night before Culloden" doesn't happen, I may end up sucking my thumb in the corner while rocking back and forth. Ron has talked Culloden battle scenes in Season 3...so perhaps we're looking at a flashback next season??? 😬Purgatory Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04206226666250028550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-23326298883385831072016-07-01T11:39:11.462-04:002016-07-01T11:39:11.462-04:00Drambuie and Rye! I may have to try that, Therese!...Drambuie and Rye! I may have to try that, Therese!!! :) Purgatory Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04206226666250028550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-56030475737042322982016-07-01T11:37:50.555-04:002016-07-01T11:37:50.555-04:00WHOA Adi, thanks for commenting. I have to go rese...WHOA Adi, thanks for commenting. I have to go research this! Funny how you forget things after reading the books so long ago! :) Purgatory Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04206226666250028550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-29284914857386480342016-07-01T10:59:55.684-04:002016-07-01T10:59:55.684-04:00Unfortunately, there may be no "night before ...Unfortunately, there may be no "night before Culloden" to go back to. Unless I'm misreading their definition of "tomorrow" (ie,dawn vs. post midnight), we are already there. Im sad, but not the least bit surprised. dolittlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14918644216099319518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-11538224061758066122016-07-01T06:00:41.488-04:002016-07-01T06:00:41.488-04:00Hi, love your video chats! So funny but also inter...Hi, love your video chats! So funny but also interesting and make me think again on things. I didn't see if anyone commented on BJR history and why he's like that. It's kind of a SPOILER TO BOOK 8. They don't give to much details but they show him when he just arrived to Scotland and he was very kind to Brian Fraser and tried to help him. It's implied that something happened and the behaviour of the barbarian Scots made him disillusioned.- Adi from IsraelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com