tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post9149541399892424341..comments2024-03-16T08:38:39.031-04:00Comments on My OUTLANDER Purgatory: MOP Video: Episode 306: A. MalcolmPurgatory Carolhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04206226666250028550noreply@blogger.comBlogger87125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-92030380286225344362017-10-31T14:04:58.891-04:002017-10-31T14:04:58.891-04:00I am late to the party as we went out of town last...I am late to the party as we went out of town last week and am just now catching up. Def have mixed feelings about this episode. Hubby is a non book reader so not only was I trying to absorb what was happening on the screen, search the recesses of mind for the way it went down in the book, and explain it in a way that would make sense to both of us.. it was a long episode. <br /><br />Really disliked the Willie scene and the glossing over Bree. Jamie mentioned something about Bree having red hair like Faith but wasn't Jamie in prison when Faith was born and died? <br />The brothel scene was distasteful and I really wanted to take it all in, the decor, the clothes, etc but was too distracted by all the flailing body parts. I am no prude but didn't feel like it needed to be that crude and in your face. The Claire and Jamie undressing part was too long and boring. Nothing about any of it was hot and smoldering. I would have been more believable if they'd had ripped each others clothes off and got to it. I mean, they've not seen each other for 20 years. Where was all that pent up sexual frustration? <br />The breakfast scene was interesting and of course Claire is not dressed so when she is confronted later, she might have well been naked. Didn't she learn anything from the last time she was there? Always be prepared and ready cuz she is a shit magnet. <br />Ian did not look like how I had him made up in my mind. Book Ian seemed much larger, stronger, good looking and more like Jamie's size. I realize he is still very young in this episode but pictured him to be larger and look older for his age. Loved seeing Fergus. <br />As always, loved the commentary and look forward to what everyone has to say and their insights. kellyhttp://www.themystikmind.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-10108267545266556762017-10-31T13:11:12.666-04:002017-10-31T13:11:12.666-04:00Hi all,
Haven't written in over a year, but wa...Hi all,<br />Haven't written in over a year, but was VERY curious on your take on this episode and the next. I 100% agree with everything you said! In addition, I think it should be considered that Jamie would not have told Claire about Willie because he was afraid of her leaving--that's why he was holding onto his other bombshell!<br /><br />"The Printshop" is a beloved scene for it's emotional content, and much of it not done with words, but with feelings, and I am confident Cat and Sam could have played that very well-if it had been written. It seems extremely odd to me that writers at this caliber didn't seem to realize that scenes do not always have to have talking!! This whole episode just seemed to lack the emotional impact that the book had, and it was not due to time constraints, it was due to writer/director choices. Such a shame.Stephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951855890346176623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-5585179819854114192017-10-31T02:09:59.700-04:002017-10-31T02:09:59.700-04:00Sorry for the grammatical and spelling issues but,...Sorry for the grammatical and spelling issues but, just one more thing......<br />Sam Hueghan is perfect and never makes a false move.<br />Perhaps he needs to be directing the new episodes!Donnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15134360521760686097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-75432404852047894082017-10-31T01:56:01.466-04:002017-10-31T01:56:01.466-04:00What have they done to Anne Kenney? All the beauti...What have they done to Anne Kenney? All the beautiful scenery and costumes can never make up for the terrible turn the writers have taken.They have moved me out of the Outlander Zone.<br />They had me at the sewing scene in Boston and the rediculos Batman suit. And then, the Batman leap in the printshop. I am so sad that the producers have given these incredible actors and such horrendous scripts. The Willie jump was jarring.<br />I have passionately watched and rewatched the series and read and reread the books. It's very disappointing to watch Outlander become almost comical. I hope they can find a way to resurrect the integrity of the show.<br />I feel as if I'm watching a different series. <br />The last two episodes have all but cured My Outlander Purgatory.Donnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15134360521760686097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-73245561631147100122017-10-30T10:31:06.360-04:002017-10-30T10:31:06.360-04:00You are absolutely welcome! I watched the newest e...You are absolutely welcome! I watched the newest episode recap last night, so may have to go to the comments there and add my rant. Not sure if I have enough Drambui in the house to deal with all the 'stuff' that is changing in the show lol! OH, and if you like reds, check out the Chilean and Argentinian wines, they are the BEST. Also often more expensive than the others; I've had to up my per bottle budget from under $10 to under $17....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-55543395247922988392017-10-29T21:19:21.571-04:002017-10-29T21:19:21.571-04:00Thank you ladies for another wonderful video!!
I ...Thank you ladies for another wonderful video!!<br /><br />I was so looking forward to this episode - and I agree with you both. I was let down about the scenes in the print shop. FALLING TO PIECES!! Where was that?? I have always loved the idea that Jamie "King of Men" would be broken down over the love of his daughter. He hasn't seen Bree in person, but he can learn about her and see her with the photographs. Instead, he turns the conversation to Willie... I just don't get it. I wasn't too upset about the eye-glasses; I actually took it to be that he wanted to be sure he could see Bree, otherwise the photos would have been blurry to him. I could forgive that. The shift to Willie - and then the over-use of every adjective Jamie knows....- that turned me off. Then asking about Frank?!?! Oy...<br /><br />Mr. Willoughby was better than I had expected. He bothered me in the book, but was more likable in the show.<br /><br />Loved the reunion with Fergus! I did think it was odd when she referred to the US as "America" - would that have been right? "The Colonies" sounded more accurate for the time. The wooden hand is a bit odd, but I guess for just tv fans, they would expect something now that GOT has the golden hand..<br /><br />Why, oh why, did Jamie take Claire to the brothel? I never liked this choice in the book, but I agree with you ladies, at least it seemed more like a house in the book, rather than an orgy! And the initial conversation upstairs was overshadowed by the constant moaning and groaning. Ugh, talk about ruining the mood. The endless undressing scene was unnecessary. I think they were trying to bring back the emotion from the wedding, but it just took soooooo looonnnnggg....<br /><br />After reading Jan's comments above, I think she is right - it reminds me too much of the scene with Geneva. This reunion should have been different than either the wedding or Geneva.<br /><br />In the book, I remember being so frustrated with Jamie and all his evasiveness - and what seemed like outright lies. I do remember thinking, that Claire might just go back through the stones. The show did a better job of making me not so frustrated with Jamie, but only slightly. <br /><br />I guess we have to give the show some room to let things develop.<br /><br />All the "book is the book and the show is the show".... I'll try to remember this phrase in the coming weeks!<br /><br />Hope you have a great week ladies!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13642818441160353367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-64250283909025958472017-10-29T16:46:00.334-04:002017-10-29T16:46:00.334-04:00Ian was 15 in the books about to be 16 in a couple...Ian was 15 in the books about to be 16 in a couple of weeks so<br /> there was no age change.terrydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10884699437250604529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-27857037594012172042017-10-29T11:40:33.519-04:002017-10-29T11:40:33.519-04:00Girl...I needed this. Thank you!!!! 😘Girl...I needed this. Thank you!!!! 😘Purgatory Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04206226666250028550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-29997110196111687542017-10-29T11:37:09.756-04:002017-10-29T11:37:09.756-04:00Writers are implying that the "risk the man I...Writers are implying that the "risk the man I am" line will show up eventually. There ARE opportunities coming up soon where that question might need to be seriously pondered. dolittlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14918644216099319518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-19970921414370850272017-10-29T11:26:12.177-04:002017-10-29T11:26:12.177-04:00I am addicted, Melissa. It's awful. I try othe...I am addicted, Melissa. It's awful. I try other wines and this is always the one I come back to! Wish it were cheaper!! :) Purgatory Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04206226666250028550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-48014314020001158282017-10-28T15:08:32.431-04:002017-10-28T15:08:32.431-04:00Meant to post earlier, they are suddenly advertisi...Meant to post earlier, they are suddenly advertising the heck out of Santa Margarita wine here in Seattle. Never heard of it until your videos - makes me laugh!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17080825623643535577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-50344430672376286492017-10-28T08:50:49.654-04:002017-10-28T08:50:49.654-04:00Beth W is one of the finest impressionists writing...Beth W is one of the finest impressionists writing about Outlander. I adore her insights and gentle descriptions of the emotions and interpretations with the Outlander story. I've watched this episode at least 5 different times and can't figure out why so many take such exception & offense. I have a VERY difficult time wading thru Carol & Tracey's 90+ minute commentaries because they waste so much time on trivia. Get to the point. I lost it with them over the "Faith" episode last season because of how they belittled loss. Obviously they did not understand nor appreciate the message in that episode alone. When they are good they are usually spot on but far too often they drift into other mindless areas that purely lose me. I've stopped watching solely because my patience dries up. Thanks for your thoughts 'cause it was kind for you to identify with me.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01483605441966549249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-27752662154909723462017-10-28T06:20:22.134-04:002017-10-28T06:20:22.134-04:00What has happened to Claire's traveling clothe...What has happened to Claire's traveling clothes that she spent so much time on making and had sewn coins into the hem of? And what about the surgical tools and the penicillin and stuff?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02732015226001688539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-88304838389819767372017-10-28T00:20:19.211-04:002017-10-28T00:20:19.211-04:00Totally agree!Totally agree!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-20708321782428319102017-10-28T00:18:40.665-04:002017-10-28T00:18:40.665-04:00Then the director should have said No. The actors ...Then the director should have said No. The actors can make suggestions on how to play a scene, but the director has the final say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-46774624828078975042017-10-28T00:12:08.843-04:002017-10-28T00:12:08.843-04:00Totally agree with Lisa M & Trish Copley . I w...Totally agree with Lisa M & Trish Copley . I was SO disappointed in how the handled the Bree photo scene & the Willy bomb. Can NOT believe they skipped Jamie "falling to pieces." Such a huge missed opportunity. It was hard to enjoy the rest of the episode after that. Even the sex felt "off" (not awkward, just off). Jamie had more heat with Geneva, who was practically a total stranger & someone he disliked). What the actual f...? I would have been ok with the Willie reveal (so to speak)had they done it later in the ep. I didn't even like the mention of Faith at that time. The scene was about J, C & "the bairn" that they left each other for; the one J said a prayer for EVERY SINGLE DAY for 20 yrs. They crushed a little piece of my soul. I'm so sad that we'll never see this beautiful scene on film as it should have been.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-482094782577738272017-10-27T20:16:06.462-04:002017-10-27T20:16:06.462-04:00Hello Chris. I just read your email and simply ac...Hello Chris. I just read your email and simply ache for your loss. I understand how immersing oneself in the Outlander world (show and especially books) can be so comforting. I feel almost exactly the way you felt about this episode, now. However, after my initial viewing, I felt rather empty until I read Beth Wesson's blog. Not trying to tout someone else's blog but reading her article was essential in order for me to understand my empty feelings and then to realize after subsequent viewings the exquisite subtleties I had missed in Sam Heughan's nuanced and amazing performance . I urge all MOP participants to read Beth's article and watch again.Annlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03534518448700234949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-6488057167341507762017-10-27T18:47:36.704-04:002017-10-27T18:47:36.704-04:00I so agree with your understanding/comments about ...I so agree with your understanding/comments about the Willie "bomb". What most book readers forget, and I am one of them, is that it is a woman writing how she feels a man in his situation would react. DG often writes that Jamie hide his emotions for the most part. Claire knows this. She also didn't overreact to the news, thanks to the show writers. No matter what you think, the writers have the final say. I believe Sam commented that he didn't want to break down as was written in a draft. Check out the script on Starz. Just enjoy what you love and overlook the rest. Relax.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-18346804619784220972017-10-27T12:06:16.565-04:002017-10-27T12:06:16.565-04:00 I didn’t want to be thinking of Geneva, but I cou... I didn’t want to be thinking of Geneva, but I couldn’t help it, and it took something away from the Jamie/Claire experience for me. Why did they make those two scenes so alike???? They didn’t have to. It just makes me question Jamie’s sincerity when he is with Claire. Having sex with Jamie maybe special to Claire, hell, she hasn’t had any in over 19 years because of her love for Jamie. Jamie on the other hand lives in a brothel, is very friendly with the madame, and is having sex with Claire that’s very reminiscent of how he had sex with Geneva. All of this is effecting how I am interpreting and reacting to this reunion. I don’t trust Jamie’s words or feelings. I just don’t. Words mean nothing if there is no action behind them to reinforce there meaning and emotional weight; and here lies my next problem with the episode....<br />Jamie’s words- <br /><br />“Don’t you know I’ve burned for you for so many years?”- No Jamie, she doesn’t, and nor does the audience, because you haven’t SHOWED us that, at all, during your time apart. But we did get Claire burning for you. Remember when you were naked by the fire in her “wet” dream? Yeah, episode 302.<br /><br />“You gave me a child, now we will live for ever you and I.”- Yeah, a child that you hardly showed any interest in, pushing aside her pictures so you could talk about your glorious bastard son. Aren’t you also living “together forever” with Geneva in said bastard son?? Brianna ain’t so special now is she.<br /><br />“You gave me a child, and for that I owe you a piece of my soul.”- I guess Geneva has a piece of your soul too, and probably a bigger piece, because she gave you the son that you love talking about so much.<br /><br />Yes, I know, I’m being cynical here lol. But get my point? How can I believe Jamie’s words, when his actions don’t reflect them? And that is why I think this episode has fallen a bit flat for me. I still enjoyed it though. I mean, it was their reunion after 20 years; how could I not, and I’m sure I will watch it a few more times (hoping to find the spark).<br /><br />As for the ending- Oh boy! another possible rape for Claire! I’ve never been a fan of cliffhangers like this. I think I would have rather it ended on a reflective more quite note, but I get it. They just unveiled the “big” episode of the season and they want to make sure people will tune in for more.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12308730533572178976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-4890417574320031302017-10-27T11:59:57.079-04:002017-10-27T11:59:57.079-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12308730533572178976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-58113873839274880682017-10-27T11:58:12.606-04:002017-10-27T11:58:12.606-04:00Now for the epic fail of the episode, big time.......Now for the epic fail of the episode, big time.... Like so many fans, I think, the Brianna pictures moment is everything. Here Jamie is seeing the child he lovingly made with Claire (though we didn’t get to see that) for the first time, the child they both sacrificed everything for 20 years ago. In the book, this is a VERY emotional scene for Jamie. He loses it while looking at these pictures. LOSES IT! Show Jamie??? I didn’t even see a tear, just holding his breath here and there. He looks at the pictures so matter-of-factly , even insulting Claire when he says Bree’s name is awful (which was weirdly executed), and then, after he gets through them, he shoves them back at Claire, gets up and proceeds to tell her about his bastard son (you know the kid we all had to witness being made) and Geneva, while reaching for a beautifully painted cameo portrait of Willie, which looks ten times better than any of the pictures of Bree... While I’m at it... Was that really the best baby picture Claire could find of Bree? It’s a side profile for crying out loud; you can’t even see the baby’s face well. Claire sits there with a crest fallen look on her face as Jamie lovingly named all the “wonderful” qualities of his bastard son, after telling Claire that Bree’s name was awful no less. Jamie asks about Frank, but seems pretty non-plus about Claire’s recount of her life with Frank. Claire doesn’t even have time to process the news of Willie and Geneva, before Jamie jumps up to find out what’s happened to Mr. Willoughby. EPIC FAIL!<br /><br />The brothel- You know, in the book this bothered me. Jamie bring Claire to a brothel so he could bed her on their first night back together. It never sat well with me, but seeing it in action made me feel even more so. They walk in and naked woman are just laying around?? Jamie walks right up the madame and kisses her in front of his wife with a big smile on his face?? I know they want the audience to be questioning Jamie right now, and who this woman is to him, but it felt so over done; too much.... too much Jamie the “sex magnet” (eye-roll). Enough! <br /><br />The sex- If I had to sum it up in one word, it would be awkward. It seemed awkward with tender and loving moments. If that’s what they were going for, it worked. Honestly, I’m not going to lie or hold back here.... It gives me NO joy to say what I’m going to say. None. The sex scene between Jamie and Geneva was a better directed, edited, and executed sex scene than what we got with Jamie and Claire IMO. I hated that, in my head, I was comparing the two scenes, and found Jamie’s and Claire’s first encounter very similar to Jamie’s and Geneva’s; and unfortunately, I thought Jamie’s and Claire’s sex was very awkward and clunky compared to the smooth suave way Jamie has sex with Geneva. Shouldn’t it have been the other way around? Shouldn’t Geneva have been in pain? Shouldn’t Jamie have been uncomfortable having sex with someone who is blackmailing him? Instead we get a Casanova teaching a young pretty girl the fine art of “lovemaking”-aka Jamie’s “move with me” line, and boob licking.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12308730533572178976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-66263619931907929982017-10-27T11:56:44.369-04:002017-10-27T11:56:44.369-04:00Ok, I'm going to try to make this shorter, bu...Ok, I'm going to try to make this shorter, but first let me thank Carol and Tracey for another fun filled review!<br /><br /> I think I’ll just start at the beginning and work my way through, interjecting my praise or criticism as I go. Firstly though, I want to say how much I appreciated the well done performances of Sam and Caitriona. I believe, if it wasn’t for them, I would not be watching this show so enthusiastically, and may have already given up on it....<br /><br />From the beginning....well, actually last week. After watching episode 304, which I hated with a passion, all of it, I did not have a good vibe for episode 306 (printshop), but after watching the ending of episode 305 (freedom and whisky), I had renewed faith. That ending with Claire entering the print shop was prefect! PREFECT!! So when episode 306 opens with Jamie and another unknown woman intimately grooming him, and flirting with him, before he steps out for the day (Yes, I know who she is, but I’m talking non book POV here), I felt like I had cold water thrown on me. Way to kill the vibe OL production! I mean, come on, they leave you with the impression that he is intimately involved with this woman, and probably bedded her the night before. WTH?? Haven’t we had enough of “single Jamie” with other woman?? In Claire’s story we get longing, grief, ultimate sacrifice, and pinned up sexual desire.... But with Jamie, we get CONSTANT SEXUAL UNDERTONES, in his story, with other people! I mean this has been true for every single “Jamie only story” episode so far this season!! It’s too much, especially when they have made Claire celibate for 19 years. It’s really effecting my feelings for Jamie at this point, and how little I buy into his feelings for Claire; not a good way to feel going into this episode...<br />So, when he faints and Claire is there, I found myself liking the content, the action, the looks and touches, the words, but still felt like something was missing.......believable emotion, mainly on Jamie’s part. What I really did like, surprisingly, was Gordie! I liked him for the comic relief that he brought, and I can’t help but think Claire is going to remove that goiter for him lol. Jamie standing in just his shirt and no pants was adorable, and Claire’s shyness was endearing (Cait is a rock star!). That first kiss was well done, but still, for me, something is missing... I’m pretty sure, it’s my perspective of Jamie at this point. I just saw him flirting with another woman as she lovingly fixed his collar tie, and now I’m suppose to buy into this passionate kiss with Claire?? It’s there, just tamped down a bit; the emotional weight of their reunion has been effected for me; his words just don’t ring with the amount of truth I would like. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12308730533572178976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-71954826923593166282017-10-27T00:07:02.337-04:002017-10-27T00:07:02.337-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027588374236176179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-70393759248763246622017-10-26T23:54:00.996-04:002017-10-26T23:54:00.996-04:00Spoiler alert:
A thought about Young Ian's age...Spoiler alert:<br />A thought about Young Ian's age change...<br />With what we know is coming (spoiler) I'm pretty sure there are places the producers WILL go, and some they CAN NOT! Ian is sexually abused in Jamaica, no way around that. Adding a couple of years to him will make it watchable<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027588374236176179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2193939705192575193.post-21691453170265816902017-10-26T14:18:11.379-04:002017-10-26T14:18:11.379-04:00Agree! Great Points!Agree! Great Points!Louhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15264295885633500612noreply@blogger.com