Thursday, December 24, 2009

Frank, Roger and Ian

SPOILER ALERT: Dinna read unless you've finished Drums of Autumn.

Another email with my mentor and Jenn M. Jenn finished Drums today...

Not only did I think Frank is even more of a douche than I thought to begin with... BUT... I can now finally say this to both of you: Did you pick up on the reincarnation reference? FRANK IS JACK RANDALL. I have no doubt in my mind. Jamie fucked him in the end.  That's why Jamie's ghost shook his head at Frank and looked at him like he hated him. I just have to wonder who Jamie became - if anyone. I always thought maybe Roger... but I don't know if he'd be able to go back in time and hang out with himself. LOL

I was upset with Roger when he didn't go right back with them, Jenn. I kindof thought "FUCK HIM - she was RAPED! If you LOVED her, you'd want to BE BY HER SIDE". He came down a notch in my mind when he did that. It's like Jamie said - did Claire mind when Randall raped him? Hell NO! She loved him and wanted to help him. I was OK with Roger when he finally showed up though - because, like he said, he showed up. He came back. He didn't leave. And that's what's important.

I am still grieving Ian. I am heartbroken still. I thought of him today and had a pang of "oh god, Ian!" I think they let him down. I really do. I know Ian's probably happy enough with those people and always wanted adventure and a thrill - but he didn't have to get it THAT way. Jenny and Ian are going to flip the hell out, too. Ian asked Jamie to keep Ian there in the US so he'd be safe... and instead he was somewhat fed right into the lion's den. They will be wishing they let him stay and fight in Scotland. Maybe that's why the next book is called "The Fiery Cross". Maybe Jenny and Ian are coming over.

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

What?!? I missed the reincarnation reference...can you tell me where it is??

I still love Roger.

I'm not commenting on Ian since I know how it all turns out. "Keep reading! ;)"

Tracey R. said...

I have to go back and reread too. Are you saying that Jamie, by reacting to Frank, was REALLY reacting to Jack Randall? Cause I would think he'd certainly have enough reason to react to Frank, right? You need to 'splain a bit more, Lucy.

Purgatory Carol said...

I have to go back and find the exact wording but... I felt that DG definitely flirted with the idea of Frank having been Jack Randall in a former life.

maryse said...

do you all remember in the first book, when frank "sees" a man in full highland regalia but it's windy out. and he notices that the man's kilt or hair aren't moving in the wind? and it creeps him out? this is before claire goes through the stones. (i think -- i may have to go check again) maybe this highlander comes back to him again, and it's jamie's ghost?

Purgatory Carol said...

Yes, Maryse you are right. It's Jamie's ghost. Claire says so in The Outlandish Companion. She says all will be revealed about the ghost in the last book. VERY intriguing!

megassel said...

I'm almost done with DoA...I was sitting out on the porch this evening weeping when they said goodbye to Ian at Snaketown. Himself came out and was very sweet, asking me what was wrong. I told him Ian was staying with the Mohawk. He paused, and said "So can I tell you this REAL thing about this Vortex 2 Stormchaser they just showed on the Weather Channel?"

He doesna get it.

Purgatory Carol said...

ROFLMAO MOLLY!!!! None of them do! Believe me!! And yes - I was beyond upset when I got to that point. Tracey had to calm me down over the phone. It wasna pretty!!

Unknown said...

My husband does get it either. It kills me. He just looks at me when I am drinking scotch(never have been a drinker) on occasion now. God I was born in the wrong time!!

Unknown said...

OK. Doing the 87,658th re-read over here after having read MOBY, twice, within a week. I was excited, to say the least. Anyway, I'm in DOA now and am thinking that Fiona is either Jenny reincarnated or a great great + grandchild of Roger and Bree. She has the shiny black curls (Jenny, Mandy, Roger and his mom), runs her hands through her hair when upset (apparently all MacKenzies), super domestic (Jenny), has connections to the stones and who knows what else (Bree, Roger, Jenny).... So many possibilities. Mrs. D-to-the-G, I need answers!

Purgatory Carol said...

A few girlfriends ended up coming over last minute to watch Outlander on Starz last weekend (seriously - last minute - after a party - it was amusing) and my husband poured us all a wee dram as he is a big scotch guy. That, I have to give him!!! And he watched Outlander twice! Now...if he wasna Scottish American...I dinna know what he would do. LOL

Purgatory Carol said...

WOW Kelli. That is seriously an interesting possibility. Not sure I've ever considered that, in all my reincarnation talk! I have to go back through my blog posts to know for sure; my memory is terrible!! LOL!

As I've mentioned several times, I'm still holding out hope that Frank was a time traveler and we just havena run into him yet in the18th century. ;)

Unknown said...

I had never considered the reincarnation theme, but I may have another possibility. We never heard about Roger's life in Snaketown before he was brought back to the ridge. Since the Indian ladies took men as the pleased...could it be possible he got someone pregnant before he left and passed on the time traveler legacy? I was just reading about the night Claire hears about Otter-Tooth from the village elder, and how she says he was a part of her family, a possible descendant. Hmmm.....?
I definitely like the idea of Frank as a time traveler. Very very interesting :)

Nosipho said...

I'm extremely confused by this post. I have completely missed the reincarnation theme altogether but perhaps it's because I haven't read the other books to follow.

All I can say is bring Fergus back (even if it means Marsali must come along too) and let Bree and Roger go back to the 20th century and live happily ever after. I don't even need to know what they're up to - I'll accept that they're happy if DG says they are. I just don't want them interrupting my Claire and Jamie moments anymore. Bree is spoiled and Roger went from dithering historian to some musical tough guy and I don't buy it.

Unlike everyone else I don't mourn Ian. I love him very much but I think the outcome makes complete sense with the journey he's been on since day 1. He was born for this and a part of me suspects that he suggested that he would remain behind. He had his eye on Emily and always fit in with the Indians. Perhaps the sense of loss is because the culture is so different and seems so savage that we can't understand how this would be a privilege for him to be accepted into another tribe in this way. Very interested to see where this goes.

Overall still loving the series and loved th book but this is my least favourite so far.

Purgatory Carol said...

This was a discussion between me, Tracey and my friend Jenn who used to is also an Outlander fan. I don't even know what reference I was talking about. LOL I don't know if that reincarnation thing was real - or just me wanting it to be real. Damn I have to reread! :)

I won't say much more for fear of spoilers...but I will say this: You are right about Ian. I was just sad...but, really, he has always "craved something more" and loved adventure. So keep reading. :)