Sunday, June 12, 2016

MOP Breaks Down Outlander Season 2, Ep 10: Prestonpans

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  1. Love you guys. I will watch later, but...first comment!
    Therese in Nova Scotia

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    1. 😂 LOL Anon! That cracks me up. I never get to be first! Well played! :)

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  2. "Mark me". I believe it was Lieutenant Foster who was the English Dragoon (from the first season) Dougal murdered on the field. Sad that they killed him off. I really liked the way they had the characters show the different sides of preparing for war. Murtagh's quiet contemplation, Angus and Rupert joking around, Dougal's impatience and going overly hyper and out-of control, Fergus thinking he is a man and not wanting to stay back with the women; Claire making herself and the women around her busy to keep from worrying, and Jamie playing the diplomat, quietly guiding the different players and the situation as best he can.
    Was this the episode that the weather was so bad in Scotland while filming that they had to move some of the scenes indoors? I don't remember.

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    1. jefsantamonica - This has been such a crazy day. It took me about three hours to get through your comments with starts and stops. And I laugh when your analysis is 37 minutes longer than the program! LOL!!!!!

      Stream of consciousness:
      Quicksand - Tracey - think Lawrence of Arabia when he loses one of his servants in the sand.
      Fortnight, Stone - Carol - 2 weeks, 14 pounds
      Jamie responding to BPC comment Claire has to obey her lord and master - perfect Jamie expression. All he needed to do was roll his eyes and I would have fallen off the sofa...Jamie ever control Claire - yeah, sure...

      AMAZING RACE - you bloggers/commenters on the show should get Starz to sponsor a bloggers Amazing Race in Scotland. And yes, Carol would kill Tracey....

      It seems Jamie wasn't too happy about BPC's "brothers" speech either - he keeps reminding him, Scotland's been dumped on by the British.

      Losing Angus was tough - and unexpected, but I thought unusual for Claire not to check them all out.

      Do you think Douglas got really mad at the Brit Lt. because he was he one who insisted in bringing her to Ft. William and started all the BJR problems all over again. And, he probably thought winning Prestonpans they could win Culloden. He wasn't in on the Claire from the future thing, so didn't know it was a lost cause???? So, he got really mad that the Lt. said they couldn't beat the Brits and Dougal thought they could????

      Great, Great recap - so funny as usual - especially when Carol's eyes start to close from exhaustion, but Tracey's all revved up! So funny!

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    2. I keep calling Dougal, Douglas - sorry! jefsantamonica

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  3. Another good recap! And a very good episode. I was horrified to see Dougal killing the fallen English and then poor Johnny Not Lord John Redcoat! That was awful. But I watch TURN and I was also horrified to see Clarks Ranger's killing the wounded too. So I wonder if it was a practice in those times? The Bonnie Prince was able to make me feel sorry for him in this episode. What a good actor Andrew Gower is. Your comment that BPC is someone you hate to love is perfect. Angus ... I'll miss him.

    taz

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  4. Hi Ladies, Loved your comments about the Prestonpans episode. Ron Moore's podcast discloses who they wanted to kill off, but it didn't work out with the actor. So they chose Angus to die. (He also said the snow was from "snow candles" at the beginning; not sure what that is.) Carol, I also like TURN. Have you read Alexander Hamilton, the book that the musical is based on? It also touches on the American Revolution and intersects with Outlander's later novels. A good read. Stock up on tissues for the remaining Outlander episodes!

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  5. Thank you for another great recap. I am so curious now that I have to give Turn a chance.

    I really liked this episode too. Loved the action and the little insights into the various relationships. I love that this season has come from ladies lunching to ladies running a war hospital. Diana's books have so much of everything, that even as a reader who doesn't normally do romance or sci- fi, I really enjoy them. OMG, those looks between Jamie and Claire- I think the one he gave her when came back from the battle field totally got her pregnant.

    I was surprised by Angus's death. As a reader I felt like "I know what's coming, let the carnage begin..." but I still gasped when Rupert got hurt and didn't think twice about poor Angus. I think they gave his death really brave and kind circumstances. Ultimate bromance. I hope this means that they are sticking to the original story and sparing no one. Sorry, Murtagh, you gotta go too. Dougal is definitely a goner. Since the Highland army was "taking prisoners" and admitting them into the infirmary, wasn't he being super over the top? No one else was stabbing wounded soldiers. I'm looking forward to what he and Sandringham have got coming. I'm really looking forward to Diana's episode, the woman could have Leghair come back and marry BJR and I'd accept it coming from her. With only 3 episodes left, I'm wondering how they'll wrap the Mary/ Alex/ BJR storyline up. Can't wait!

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  6. Hi ladies! Thank you for another wonderful recap.

    Angus' last words were "save me Mistress" (per an interview with the actor).

    I loved the episode but I didn't care for how Claire ditched Jamie to run out and see Fergus - but I understand that it's more like the TV Claire to do that vs. book Claire which would have been taking Jamie to find the nearest secluded spot to DO IT.

    Have a great week all!

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  7. Ladies another excellent recap and I thank you.

    I thought you might get a know that Andrew Gower has a band in the UK called Emerson. Who knew that "Mark Me" could sing. I found the video on YouTube if your interested.

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  8. Kathleen LaurenzoJune 13, 2016 at 2:15 AM

    See http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2016/06/11/outlander-recap-season-2-episode-10-prestonpans/ for AAngus's last words. Heartbreaking.

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  9. Hi ladies!

    Thanks for a great recap. As always, good fun!

    Carol, today's recap was brought to us by the number "14." Oddly, that's the number for both "stone" and "fortnight"(pounds / days). I also believe 14 was where the last “Mark me” count may have ended.

    Perhaps Claire looks better than the other women because she is already a one woman army in the battle against scurvy. Think how much more she’d push the importance of vitamin C if she knew about antioxidants and their anti-aging effects :-) But seriously, I do love seeing capable Claire. I’ve also enjoyed seeing the Claire/Fergus relationship strengthen.

    Yes Tracey, Angus’ death surprised me a bit, but that’s mainly because, without Willie, he had become my new candidate to witness a certain pivotal act. However, as soon as I saw that cannon blast, I knew he was a goner. That much effort wouldn’t be put into portraying an inconsequential detail. Besides, Claire’s lack of a specific medical explanation for the state of Rupert’s injury pretty much had me thinking (cue the Black Knight), “It’s only a flesh wound,” so I suspected a switch. Angus' death was sad, but not a shock.

    Okay, so as the battle was preparing to start, and those low, heart-beating drums were playing, did anyone else have trouble keeping Fleetwood Mac’s “Tusk!” out of their heads?

    I enjoyed Dougal’s descent into the mire – well, the literal one at least – especially when he admitted to needing to change his “breeks.’ That was a great scene. However, I see his other descent - the killing of the wounded British soldiers - as a maniacal response to finally being able to release his full fury at the British. Yes, Cumberland will respond the same after the Battle of Culloden, ordering the slaughter of all wounded and retreating Highlanders. And I know we are nearly two hundred years away from the Geneva Convention, but these actions seem less like the acts of warriors of their time, than the behavior of fanatics who have lost their sense of human decency. And that is how I now see Dougal.

    I’m glad we got the pissing scene (and I can’t believe I just typed that). I’m glad Jamie has been Jamie the last couple of episodes. I am SO hoping Diana gives us a great episode next week. In fact, I hope she blows us away!

    Carol, I was glad to hear you added a forum to this site. I was wishing for such a thing right after "Faith" (I even commented here on it), but had no clue you had just set one up the week before! That sounds great! Thanks!

    Dolittle

    P.S. I very nearly entered a comment for the cookbook giveaway, but as an empty-nester who rarely cooks anymore, about the best I can do nowadays is to follow Claire’s recipe for penicillin mold – at least if the state of my vegetable crisper is any indication.

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  10. Hello Ladies!

    Love to listen to your podcasts, but I am commenting for the first time to gently correct you that the Quartermaster, John O'Sullivan, was Irish, and General Lord Murray (my ancestor!), the cautious one, was most definitely Scottish. They are real historical figures... I love to see the historical accuracy mixed in with the drama...
    Clare.

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  11. Carol & Tracey - i only have 2 things to say: first, that the episode only felt like it was 20 minutes long!!! i seriously couldn't believe it was time for the end credits :( :( Second, do we ever find out if Jamie won the pissing bet???

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  12. I had a hard time controlling myself after the Fergus doll exchange! How do you come up with that stuff? I think Jamie's Matrix coat is his father's coat. Could be wrong there, but it sure looks like it. I don't watch The Amazing Race, but I would if you ladies were on it. It would guarantee a good watch. Carol, I watch TURN. Fascinating show and it's true that it parallels Outlander. I'm sorry to be jumping all over the place here, I'm supposed to be doing something else, but just had to comment. Love your recaps!

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  13. Diana posted on the compuserve boards today that she is making a podcast with Ron. She was asking viewers for questions they would like to have answered.

    I love your recaps...thanks for the laughs!!!!

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  14. TURN!!! YES Carol! LOVE IT.

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  15. Once again, loved my time with you two talkin' outlander. This episode was stunningly shot. The writing was pretty good too and I like Claire mothering Fergus more here than in the books. I hope they keep that dynamic in the later seasons.

    Dougal's rollercoaster is sublime. Angus - very well done and shocking [I usually catch the foreshadowing but I was expecting someone else to go - next week, I guess].

    Gosh, I really hope they'll throw us a bone with the expanded character that we all love love love.... they could do some great stuff with that actor.

    I am SO excited to see how they handle BJR before Culloden. Will they give us more than the book did re: the walk home? I can't believe Claire didn't ask about that!

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  16. From Diana's FB page someone asked her if she chose the episode she wrote "I didn't. Ron gave me that one." "I'll be recording a podcast tomorrow with Ron, about Episode 211 (that's the one I wrote). The podcast will be _aired_ after the episode.
    We'll be talking about the hows and whys of the script and filming, but if there's anything specific you're interested in hearing about, let me know!"

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  17. I was very busy Sunday but rushed around when I got hom so I could have time to listen to you! Thanks again for pithy comments. I did notice Angus was getting a lot of camera time but was totally shocked when he collapsed. Then Rupert got up and walked with his huge knife wound. He may get it yet!
    I saw a comment from Diana that Hugh will be in ep 11, so I think we will get the church and the Duke's castle scenes. Maybe some love stuff, too?
    Dougal figures into the finale, so we will see another over-the-top drmamtic scene from him. He was disgusting in this episode, slashing all those helpless victims.
    I'm surprised we didn't see some quickie post-battle sex from Jamie and Claire, but maybe they want to have a slower, more beautiful scene. I hope so. Anything! We don't need a big nude scene, just some loving words and touch.
    The battle was terrific, and I mean portrayed magnificently. I liked the fog effect so you could see individual battles between men. Poor Fergus! My heart stopped when he got battered around.
    They set up the choreography of a war so well: the men in uniforms lined up contrasting British and Scot, the bloody battle itself, and the aftermath. Well done. Sam was just wonderful, portraying many emotions. Dougal was good, too, but he is getting creepy.
    I am very curious about this week's episode and anxious to see how Herself writes her own story for the screen: writers are given an outline of events so she has to work within their framework. We shall see!!

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  18. Interesting commentary, though it was not Jamie talking to Dougal about his marriage, it was Murtagh, who was concerned about dying and being forgotten. Definitely a foreboding speech!
    The two crofters were Ross and Kincaid. Kincaid died.
    I think that Dougal would have spared Lt. Jeremy Foster if he hadn't upset Dougal by telling him that the British would win the war.
    I don't like Bonnie Prince Charles. He has a hidden agenda and is too easily led by others. He showed that he was dependent on the Quartermaster-John (who was Irish), and only listened to Jamie and the General because John was there. No backbone at all.
    My only question is why didn't Angus say something to Claire about his injury when she was examining him after taking care of Rupert? I can understand him wanting Rupert to be taken care of first, but according to Diana, his last words were, "Save me, mistress!" Senseless death.
    It's going to be interesting to see what Diana does with episode 211 on Saturday night. According to the sneak peeks, we may see them in bed, finally! Yes, Diana!!

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    1. FYI....The character, Willie was supposed to die in this episode instead of Angus. Since the actor wasn't available, they had to choose between Angus and Rupert.
      Episode 211 is called, "Vengeance is Mine."
      Good luck, Diana!

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  20. On FB, Diana has posted a link to a clip from ep 211. It's very short, but it's her words, and it's already got me grinning like a Cheshire cat! I am so hopeful about this next episode!

    So many of us follow the book series primarily for the J&C relationship and the strength, intelligence, and humor of those characters. I fear that if the TV series doesn't touch base with those assets often enough, it will lose viewers - especially the non book readers who won't be able to automatically fill in what's missing.

    I hope ep. 211 manages to strike a better balance between the action/adventure and the relationship moments we've missed this season. If so, those of us who stream it early should do our level best to get out the word to others to watch it. Perhaps strong ratings for the episode would speak loud enough to make TPTB take some notice (I can dream, can't I?).

    Anyway, here's hoping Diana's episode gives us all big grins!

    Dolittle

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  21. I was definitely feeling like Jamie and Claire were more like the book this last episode. He's finally acting like the man he was in the books from the beginning, and she's finally doing more than scowling and being annoying. The sad part is, they've taken forever to get to this point with Jamie and Claire. And the lack of intimacy... It's in the book for a reason. It builds their relationship. The show got so much praise and attention for the way it portrayed sex last season, remember that entertainment weekly cover?? Kind of misleading when it comes to this season. Talk About a dry spell! Please, Diana, bring back the love! The next few episodes will be so sad, give us something! I am hopeful that they will better capture Jamie and Claire as characters next season, since they took the LONG road to get them to where they are now!! I'm very excited to watch Diana's episode.

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    1. Judging by the clip, Diana WILL be bringing back the love. The question is, how much time will she have to do it? Unfortunately, she is under several constraints - especially time. This season, we have sat through enough pointless scenes and side stories, as well as a long dose of the "male gaze" on war. It sometimes seems like RDM is more interested in impressing his old Battlestar fans than us. Still, I'm excited to see 211, and hoping for the best.

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  22. I agree, dolittle, on the poiintless scenes and side stories, that go on and on and take away screen time from Jamie and Claire. I wonder what audience he is trying to impress, the Game of Thrones fans?

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    1. RDM has his own reverent following due to his work within the Star Trek franchise (the original and still strong TV/movie fandom) and on Battlestar Galactica. There's even a funny episode of Portlandia titled "One Moore Episode" where a couple has binge watched BSG at the expense of all other obligations, including their jobs, and are so desperate for more that they go in search of RDM to get him to write another episode. Moore himself appears in the episode. So with Outlander, he likely expected (and rightly) to be able to count on support from his own fans. I can't help but wonder if he was even aware of Gabaldon's large enthusiastic following when he was vying for the rights. Perhaps we were a big surprise - possibly even an annoyance to someone who already had a great sense of his own reputation and importance.

      One might suspect, based on the nature of human ego, that his own long-time fans are of most importance to him. However, TV is a business, Moore is a businessman, and to make money a show must be successful at attracting fans. I doubt RDM could deny that DG's large number of book fans GREATLY contribute to the buzz and ratings success of the show, but I do have my doubts that we are appreciated beyond that. I don't believe the "female gaze" or the rich emotional relationship aspects of this story ranks high on his priorities. Occasionally, bones are thrown, but there's rarely much meat on them.

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    2. Read this! I'm worried! http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/outlander/news/a797983/outlander-will-veer-away-from-the-books/

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    3. I read that article just last night. Plot changes don't necessarily worry me - its tinkering with J&C's characterization and relationship that mostly get to me. I won't mind a change so much if the characters I'm seeing are still recognizable as DG's Jamie and Claire.

      As much as I enjoy the books, I'm no purist. In fact, after the reunion in Voyager (which somewhat underwhelmed me as written), there is a lot that I would love to see changed. Mr. Willoghby seems very expendable, and it would be great if, after Claire's return, they could find an excuse to ground the series in Scotland for as long as possible (I wish they had done that this season - I'm in no hurry to get to the stones). Until the show gets away from trying to get through a whole book in one season, I don't think we will ever get enough character and relationship moments, be they new creations or canon.



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    4. Dolittle, your comment helped calm me! I do feel the same way, as long as Jamie and Claire's relationship is like the books, I can handle the changes! It always comes back to that. And unfortunately, for me, I didn't feel like they captured that throughout most of this season, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed for next season !

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    5. Brandy, I'm with you in hoping for the best. I truly want to love this show, but they haven't been making it easy this season - especially for us book readers. On a hopeful note, shortly before they announced seasons 3 and 4, I read on another forum that a new female writer has been hired for Outlander. I hope it's true. I also hope they'll bring aboard more (or even one) women directors in the future. And come back,Anna Foerster!!

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